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louisgray.com: louisgray.com: Why I Still Prefer Twitter and FriendFeed to Facebook

  • Louis Gray · 9 months ago
    Post by Eric Berlin: http://friendfeed.com/ebrage
  • sarahintampa · 9 months ago
    Wait, I just wrote this same post an hour ago! (http://www.sarahintampa.com/sarah/2009/02/23/wh...).

    So what gives? Are you copying me or are our brains psychically linked today?
  • Louis Gray · 9 months ago
    Sarah, you're not being copied, but yes, there must be some psychic
    link going on. Eric checked his story into the blog admin around
    midnight Pacific last night (ironically, when I was posting my
    Facebook story). I can vouch his content was essentially unchanged
    between then and now , and did not have the benefit of seeing your
    piece (which I did see in Google Reader earlier today).
  • sarahintampa · 9 months ago
    I was not really accusing you - I just thought it was funny/ironic. Facebook is clearly on all our minds right now. And, in all fairness, I probably had your post in the back of my mind as I wrote this.

    But it was after getting the "what's a tweet?" comment on my (Twitter-synced) News Feed last night , that I decided I just had to vent about Facebook today
  • Eric Berlin · 9 months ago
    Sarah, I just read your great piece and responded on your site.

    I enjoyed reading your perspective on this issue, and as Louis noted there must be "some psychic link" going on! I actually dug around for stories that were on similar topic very late last night, which led me to discover that sevitz.com piece.
  • sarahintampa · 9 months ago
    I just replied to your comment over yonder. And I enjoyed yours as well!! :)
  • Jim Connolly · 9 months ago
    Me too!
  • LouCypher · 9 months ago
    Yeah, me too. You can even call me FriendFeed Fanboy. But I found on Faceboot what I couldn't find on Twitter and FriendFeed: my high school and college friends.
  • Jean-Charles VERDIE · 9 months ago
    thanks Louis, will link this blog post to people asking me why I'm not using FB anymore!
  • Evan Brown · 9 months ago
    I agree with all these points. The only reason I use Facebook is because practically everyone I have ever met is on it.
  • Eyebee · 9 months ago
    This article about sums it up for me too. I've got mostly family, and meatspace friends in Facebook. Now while I like to know that my family are well, and hopefully enjoying life, I too, prefer a news-based stream. I have both local news and international news coming to me in Twitter.

    As I don't generally watch TV, news via Twitter is often the first time I see it. If it is important enough to me, then I can go ahead and find a TV channel carrying it if I wish. Usually though, I prefer to read about news anyway.

    Put plainly, I find Friendfeed and Twitter more interesting and comfortable to use. Quicker too.
  • Eric Berlin · 9 months ago
    First, love the term meatspace! And I agree that one of the reasons I enjoy Twitter/FriendFeed is that they operate as "smart people networks" to direct high quality news to me.
  • ChangeForge | Ken Stewart · 9 months ago
    Eric, thank you. I was beginning to wonder if I was taking crazy pills or something. While Facebook offers an extensive network, it really has never moved beyond a place for me to check in on my meatspace friends. Perhaps I missed a class on why Facebook is important somewhere?
  • Eric Berlin · 9 months ago
    Thanks Ken. Yes, looks like you, me, and Mugato are not alone! ;-) Seriously though, interesting to see how many others relate.
  • Keith · 9 months ago
    A most excellent explanation and I completely agree. You voiced my thoughts with more clarity than I previously understood them.

    I would add the following point as it relates to being uncomfortable with the Facebook community as opposed to the Twitter/Friendfeed community. I've got alot of good friends on facebook but few of them understand my passion for technology or my level of geekiness. Through my blog/twitter/facebook I can talk about IT, social media, Network security, and community interaction and know that I'm around people who are interested in the same. Facebook is a nifty extension of my meatspace life but Twitter and Friendfeed are a community all their own.

    Thanks for such a great post.

    Tsudohnimh
    website: http://Knowthenetwork.com
    follow me on Twitter http://twitter.com/tsudo
    interact with me on Friendfeed http://friendfeed.com/tsudohnimh
  • Eric Berlin · 9 months ago
    Thanks so much, and great point about differing communities/environments on FF/Twitter vs. FB
  • Eric Berlin · 9 months ago
    Thanks guys -- it does seem that this piece did resonate with a lot of people, very cool !
  • Andre P. Siregar · 9 months ago
    Twitter/FriendFeed are meant to be used differently than Facebook. Twitter/FriendFeed is for what Louis says in the post. Facebook to me is more about strengthening the relationships I have with friends I actually know in real-world.
  • Nilesh · 9 months ago
    I prefer Twitter / FF to FB as well. For me FB is gated community.
  • Scott Pantall · 9 months ago
    I don't know where I first heard it, but it's true, "Facebook is for people you know. Twitter is for people you want to know."

    I haven't tried friendfeed yet, I think I've just found my groove with Twitter. What's the best thing about Twitter? It's commitment-free social networking! Signing up for Twitter is like a guy taking a shower. You jump in, do 5 things, you're done in 5 minutes.
  • Anarchistbrow · 9 months ago
    Totally agree with this sentiment. The Facebook/Twitter comparison expresses how I feel on this issue. I haven't tried friendfeee, either. I just like reading all the tweets.
  • Eric Berlin · 9 months ago
    I like that saying Scott, very interesting.
  • Luis F. Solórzano · 9 months ago
    I prefer LinkedIn groups discussions rather than Facebook, but FF is much better to keep me updated on "Best of Day".
  • Chris Hollander · 9 months ago
    for me, facebook is about enhancing the real life relationships that I have. out of 249 friends that I have on facebook, I've actually had a face to face conversation wtih at least 200 of them in the past year. Conversely, friendfeed exposes me to people, perspectives, ideas, and content that I wouldn't otherwise have access to.
  • Eric Berlin · 9 months ago
    It does bring up the whole aspect of how each community (FF, twitter, FB) could/should be set up to meet individual needs. For a long period of time I had twitter set up as you did -- fairly tightly controlled. Over time though I started experimenting with larger and larger groups of people I thought would be interesting to follow. I'm not sure how I feel about that right now. FriendFeed feels slightly friendlier to me because of I can dive into different subsets I've created fairly easily. I suppose that might be true to an extent with FB as well but to be honest I haven't investigated that far, in part due to reasons I laid out above.
  • Jack · 9 months ago
    +1 to Chris H.
  • Todd Dewell · 9 months ago
    I think Facebook and Twitter server two different purposes. Facebook can keep you up to date with what your friends and family are doing. Twitter gives you the opportunity to find interesting stories and people.
  • Radith · 8 months ago
    can't agre eno more
  • Jamie · 9 months ago
    +2 Chris H.
  • Bill · 9 months ago
    FB is little more than a layer of abstraction for FriendFeed anyway. I much prefer Twitter and FriendFeed.
  • Jen · 9 months ago
    Great piece. I have just recently started using Twitter, but have used Facebook for a while. I agree with your comparisons, and also appreciate Chris H.'s additional comment. I use Twitter and Facebook for different purposes; each meets my needs in its own way.

    One small correction: Facebook recently (last couple months maybe?) changed the status update box. It no longer contains the "is" when you click on it to enter your status. Even before that change, you could backspace to get rid of it.
  • Eric Berlin · 9 months ago
    Thanks Jen! And thanks for the note on "is." I do note though that your name remains in the status box, which gives the impression that your first name will become the first word of your status update, which is slightly weird enough to annoy me, though I'll admit that's somewhat nit picky.
  • Cheryl Allin · 9 months ago
    Isn't it crazy tho how everyone in the world seemed to 'discover' Facebook at about the same time about 6ish weeks ago? That's so weird! Facebook can be a pain and full on inane junk and hyper promoters. I don't want to relive high school, nor do I want to get into any MLM scheme. ugh ;)
  • Johan · 9 months ago
    And all of those reasons you listed, that's why I use FB more than I do Twitter/FF. To me, in FB I like to feel like I am communicating to someone directly, even if it's everyone at once. With Twitter/FF I feel like I am talking on stage and hoping someone in the audience responds.
  • Eric Berlin · 9 months ago
    That's an interesting perspective Johan, can totally see how many would feel that way. And obviously many do! :-)
  • Mike Elliott · 9 months ago
    The FaceBook phenomenon escapes me. The Twitter,FriendFeed, Google Reader trio provides a great set of tools to learn, discover, and share knowledge and information with people that have similar interests. And I recently started using Feedly which brings the process to a whole new level. FaceBook seems to be nothing more than a way to reconnect with all the people you lost contact with precisely because you had little more in common than similar geographic origins. I've never found it to be a useful learning tool or information resource. I guess in the end it just depends on what motivates you to engage in the social networking space to begin with.
  • Eric Berlin · 9 months ago
    I agree, Mike, and it's nice to see others relating to the twitter/FF/google reader vs. FB dynamic !
  • JDamico · 9 months ago
    And I thought it was just me... but I can't seem to get into Facebook either. Don't get me wrong... it's a nice interface and good way to connect with family and friends, but it feels almost too personal. I'd rather talk on the phone or email family and friends.

    I feel more comfortable with Twitter for social networking. (Haven't tried FF yet). I tried FB for 18 months along with a colleague. My purpose was for business networking. As her FB became personal, I felt like I was crossing a line to comment on her kids' pictures--adorable as they are. It was almost like showing up at a colleague's house unannounced. It didn't feel right since I know her professionally, not personally. So I stick to LinkedIn for professional networking and keep the FB as a lower priority but still for business.

    Twitter--at least my group--is all about sharing social media tips, staying up with the latest in social and online marketing, and yes, an occaisional personal Tweet. I like Twitter for its "collective wisdom."
  • Logical Extremes · 9 months ago
    Great post. "Talking to everyone I know/have known at the same time is not so appealing as it might sound" is right on. Facebook lets long-lost friends find you, but so does a Google search or an eponymous domain name. Why do people think that in five years, we won't look back and laugh like we often do about AOL or MySpace? Facebook just isn't a compelling experience for me.
  • Eric Berlin · 9 months ago
    Thanks! And that's an awesome question. Facebook is obviously red hot right now and obviously isn't going anywhere soon. But in five years the landscape will be vastly different. Wonder what FBs place will be in it.
  • Tutivillus Grift · 9 months ago
    It comes down to this. I'm a professional. I own my content - period. Facebook has a crap track record on privacy and they are underhanded with their tactics. I no longer have a profile with them and I don't plan to every have one again in the future.
  • pwinn · 9 months ago
    It seems like some of the distinctions you're describing are more a function of time and popularity than anything intrinsic. That is, the reason twitter feels more homey probably has much to do with twitter not being as popular yet, so that 1985 Boy Scout hasn't found you there. Doesn't seem like a viable long-term solution, though.

    Although many people don't use them, Facebook has features to split up your "friends" into lists and treat them differently. You don't have to follow everyone equally, which might help Facebook feel more homey.

    I actually have the opposite problem. I follow 208 people on twitter, and have 253 Facebook friends, but twitter seems far more overwhelming to me these days. I find myself ignoring almost everything but replies and direct messages on Twitter.

    I agree that threads on twitter are often more immediate, for better or worse. I automatically mirror my tweets (the ones that *aren't* replies over to facebook, and I've noticed others doing the same, and it helps me to be more intentional about both tweeting and facebook status updates. At least among my circle of friends, the lines between the two are blurring, but there's a bit more immediacy to twitter.

    "Is," seriously? Facebook removed the "is" requirement in November, 2007. Now it works exactly the same way twitter does: it starts with your name, which you can incorporate or ignore. I tend to incorporate it, so I start each tweet/status update in the third person, but many ignore it.

    Here's a suggestion: friend-request people like Jason C and Dave W to see if your Facebook experience improves.

    Also, and I bet you know this is coming: reject the tyranny of the OR and embrace the genius of the AND! :-)
  • Eric Berlin · 9 months ago
    Actually, Twitter doesn't feel so much homey as immediate to me. I think if all my friends, family, etc. were on Twitter/FF it would still feel different to me than FB because of the relative openness of those platforms.

    Quoting myself from above with relation to "is": I do note though that your name remains in the status box, which gives the impression that your first name will become the first word of your status update, which is slightly weird enough to annoy me, though I'll admit that's somewhat nit picky.
  • iSteeve · 9 months ago
    Great article. As far as relaxing goes, still a mix on Twitter. Google and other sites will take your twitter feed and index it for posterity also. Hence, no twitter feed into Friendfeed for me. My best tweets may be ephemeral - trashed 10 minutes later before they get indexed. Or else my main web presence would soon be dwarfed by my tweets. I am more than the sum of my tweets :-)
  • Chieze Okoye · 9 months ago
    Not quite sure why everyone is crapping on FB...I think it has a very strong use case as Chris H and others state: it's for enhancing and supplementing relationships that already exist IRL (which is a different - but related I guess - use case than FF and Twitter). I suppose it could become an AOL-style joke in the near future, but I don't see why people can honestly dismiss out of hand the possibility of it becoming a mainstream medium of communication akin to email or cell phones.
  • Logical Extremes · 9 months ago
    @Chieze... the main difference of course being that FB is privately owned and tightly controlled, rather than an open standard.
  • Chieze Okoye · 9 months ago
    @LE: That's a very good point. Hmm, didn't think of that, actually. However, I don't think it changes the meat of what I'm saying too much. Cell phones are technically built on open technology, but the market is definitely controlled by a few companies in it to make boatloads of revenue. **coughSMScough** You have given me something interesting to think about, though.
  • Ken Sheppardson · 9 months ago
    The cell market is controlled by a few companies that benefit from economies of scale, but they're pretty much completely interoperable these days. I can call your cell from mine without ever having to worry about which carrier you're on. They might give preference to in-network calls (particularly from a rate standpoint), but the phone system is fundamentally "open"
  • Chieze Okoye · 9 months ago
    Yeah, but I think that there's a push towards interoperability in this space. OpenID, importing feeds, etc...In the early days of both email and cell phones, they weren't interoperable, right? I think that social-networking-as-communication-medium is getting there, too, and I honestly think that FB will be the main one in the space when it does.
  • Ken Sheppardson · 9 months ago
    Chieze: I totally agree there's a push towards interoperability, but I don't think anybody could say Facebooks anywhere near the front on that. Facebooks approach sorta seems like "We're willing to be open, as long as we're in control." with the expectation they're the hub/portal/home page for the social web.
  • Matt Soreco · 9 months ago
    I use Google Reader and friendfeed more for professional development and facebook strictly to keep up with friends and relatives. I like all in one services, but with these I like to keep work and social life separate.Twitter is another story. I just can't engage with it at all.
  • Chieze Okoye · 9 months ago
    Ken: yeah, I agree with you there...I'm not really saying that Facebook is going to be at the head of interoperability, per se...just that they're at the front of the market now and will, due to their already near de facto standard status, willprobably be the main tool of choice once it's a mainstream market. I think it won't be able to escape being forced to be more open at that point, tho (demand in the market, gov't intervention, etc)
  • Michael Becker · 9 months ago
    I was an early Facebook adopter -- just like I was with Twitter, though I abandoned Twitter for a while -- so I've been on the site for what seems like a long, long time. During that time, I've seen the site explode so that you can, more or less, find everybody you've ever wanted to get in touch with via FB.

    Lately, though, I've had a growing urge to run away from Facebook, to cancel my account and migrate to Twitter and e-mail. If nothing else, this would make my day far more productive and make my life feel like it was a teensy bit slower-paced, which would be nice.

    Problem is, EVERYBODY's on Facebook now. How do you walk away from a platform where you can find everybody -- more than that, a platform that many people check more often than their e-mail? I've found that one of the most reliable ways to get in touch with people these days is via Facebook messages.

    That sort of access is invaluable to me as a journalist, and it's nice to share things with a group of people who might actually comment on them -- even if none of my friends (mostly people I've really met) don't care a whit about the kind of links I share (which newspaper has announced furloughs or which business model might save journalism).

    Despite the lack of interest in my interests from my FB friends, for soliciting comments, it's still better than shouting into the Grand Canyon that is (for most users) Twitter.
  • Wesley Guerrero · 9 months ago
    I have to say facebook seems to view the rest of the web as chaotic and messy and that it shouldn't be allowed on their site, to an extent they are right. But I believe they may be bordering on fascism. If I'm using the term correctly.
  • sofarsoshawn · 9 months ago
    @Wesley and Ken great comments: yes Facebook seems to want to sanitize itself from the outside web and by doing so has become the "Bubble Boy" of the internet
  • Missionary Broadcasting · 9 months ago
    In a way it seems Facebook knows that many of us are more Twitter/FriendFeed type people. That is why they are mimicking several of their best features. I debate dumping my Facebook account all the time; it just has very few redeeming qualities in my view.
  • Tara Kelly · 9 months ago
    Twitter is for talking to/with everyone. Facebook is for talking to/with some people. Two totally different things.
  • Kivivi · 9 months ago
    Interesting thoughts and comments on what what type of SN tools fit which type of personalities.
  • stanleyyork · 9 months ago
    i'm curious to see who you interact with on facebook. all the people i interact with (16-25 year olds mostly) are very conversational, very similar to FF/Twitter. while it's not nearly as persistent (frequent) as twitter, i send/receive video comments, wall posts, links to stuff i find interesting and threads of conversations around posts/photos/links/videos.

    all very similar to FF/Twitter right?

    Yes

    What's different?

    the fact that all the people i'm interacting with are people i talk to in person...my friends. not "social media superstars" who rants about "the future of [fill in the blank]".

    actual conversations with actual people i know/care about all with the same functionality (for the most part) as any other social networking service. but like everyone said, it all depends one who you are and what you're trying to achieve.
  • Baxter Tocher · 9 months ago
    I'm really not sure what the issue about the word "is" is on Facebook. Didn't they drop that *months* ago? I've just tried it, and FB certainly didn't add a spurious verb of any description.

    Is this an article that was written a long time ago, and only just published now?
  • stanleyyork · 9 months ago
    yea they got rid of it months ago (mobile especially). not sure what that's about. it simply says now:

    "What are you doing right now?"
  • Eric Berlin · 9 months ago
    Yeah, I responded to this a few times in the comments above -- I missed out on the change from "is" to simply listing the username as default before entering your message. I think that still makes leaving a status comment somewhat awkward, but concede that I flubbed on that point !
  • Stanley Stevens · 9 months ago
    i wonder why my disqus comment i left on your blog (instead of here in FF) didn't show up. that's kinda...well, dumb.
  • Josh Hathaway · 9 months ago
    Good article, Eric. I signed up for Twitter apparently sometime last May and proceeded to write a single tweet and hadn't logged back in until today. I guess what's funny about that is my Facebook account was the same way but now I seem to have been absorbed by it. I'm not sure the same thing will happen with Twitter. I don't 'get' it yet, but I'm going to play around and see if it starts to make sense to me.
  • Eric Berlin · 9 months ago
    Thanks Josh! I think you'll enjoy Twitter, particularly related to sports during live events.