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<rss xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0"><channel><title>louisgray.com - Latest Comments in louisgray.com: What FriendFeed Needs to Do To Grow and Keep New Users</title><link>http://louisgray.disqus.com/</link><description>A Silicon Valley Blog for Early Adopters and Tech Geeks</description><atom:link href="https://louisgray.disqus.com/louisgraycom_what_friendfeed_needs_to_do_to_grow_and_keep_new_users/latest.rss" rel="self"></atom:link><language>en</language><lastBuildDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:03:00 -0000</lastBuildDate><item><title>Re: louisgray.com: What FriendFeed Needs to Do To Grow and Keep New Users</title><link>http://blog.louisgray.com/2009/01/what-friendfeed-needs-to-do-to-grow-and.html#comment-5165936</link><description>&lt;p&gt;I am developing &lt;a href="http://www.frienddeck.com" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank" title="http://www.frienddeck.com"&gt;http://www.frienddeck.com&lt;/a&gt; (like tweet deck) but for friendfeed and I am trying to take a different look on friendfeed where by you have multiple views on different searches, and users comments, likes and feeds all from one screen, all with the aim of getting the information you want.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Many thanks and warm Regards,&lt;br&gt;Paul Kinlan &lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Paul Kinlan</dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:03:00 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: louisgray.com: What FriendFeed Needs to Do To Grow and Keep New Users</title><link>http://blog.louisgray.com/2009/01/what-friendfeed-needs-to-do-to-grow-and.html#comment-5073501</link><description>&lt;p&gt;Disclaimer: I'm not an expert at what works and what doesn't as far as internet applications.  I'm more of a regular user, if somewhat of an early adopter.  So don't expect any Scoble- or LG-like insights in my comments.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I've enjoyed using FriendFeed and think the product has a lot of potential.  However, after updating my Facebook profile, accepting friend invites, updating status, Twittering my random thoughts, scanning Digg and Techmeme for latest headlines of interest, blowing a half hour on pointless YouTube videos, there's really not much time left for me to dedicate to FriendFeed.  There are only so many hours in the day and so many cool applications out there.  Most of my friends are on Facebook and Twitter anyway, so I don't really need to aggregate their activity streams.  FriendFeed is cool, but it's just not as useful as these other applications.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Also I'm a little nervous about investing a lot of time and effort in, or become reliant on, a product that has no business model - whether it's FriendFeed or Twitter.  Sure it has plenty of VC money, but who knows when they'll pull the plug.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">gjenkin</dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 11:37:11 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: louisgray.com: What FriendFeed Needs to Do To Grow and Keep New Users</title><link>http://blog.louisgray.com/2009/01/what-friendfeed-needs-to-do-to-grow-and.html#comment-4981943</link><description>&lt;p&gt;Nick, thank you for that, and indeed by this source you are correct. I am glad to see this is occurring b/c the developers at Plurk have a fun thing going. I got really tired of the Karma thing, but I found Plurk much more enjoyable than Twitter - just not as much as FriendFeed ;-)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I appreciate you stopping by and thanks. &lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">ChangeForge | Ken Stewart</dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 00:40:32 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: louisgray.com: What FriendFeed Needs to Do To Grow and Keep New Users</title><link>http://blog.louisgray.com/2009/01/what-friendfeed-needs-to-do-to-grow-and.html#comment-4971637</link><description>&lt;p&gt;good comment but i need to nitpick something. Plurk has not quiet down. In fact, it is more popular than FF right now, according to Google Trends :). &lt;a href="http://trends.google.com/websites?q=friendfeed.com%2C+plurk.com&amp;amp;geo=all&amp;amp;date=all&amp;amp;sort=0" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank" title="http://trends.google.com/websites?q=friendfeed.com%2C+plurk.com&amp;amp;geo=all&amp;amp;date=all&amp;amp;sort=0"&gt;http://trends.google.com/we...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Nick Laizer</dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:08:18 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: louisgray.com: What FriendFeed Needs to Do To Grow and Keep New Users</title><link>http://blog.louisgray.com/2009/01/what-friendfeed-needs-to-do-to-grow-and.html#comment-4892232</link><description>&lt;p&gt;Louis, I read this the other day and have been thinking about it since. Once again, I always find your entries on FriendFeed helpful to me for my work on making &lt;a href="http://Lifestream.fm" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank" title="Lifestream.fm"&gt;Lifestream.fm&lt;/a&gt; better. I read through your points and considered how they apply to us as well. I like to think we are a more simple and quieter lifestreaming service. A lot of that has to do with the complaints about how noisy and confusing lifestreaming can be and how some didn't really care for the activity to be happening somewhere other than its original source, which we took into account after acquiring the site and re-developing it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; At the moment, I would say it's sort of like an online profile of where one is online and what they are up to. The interaction between users is pretty minimal. Sure users can comment and favorite things, even send links via our sms service, but I find a lot of users prefer not to follow many others and just use the site to sort of keep their online activity in one place, which makes sense for a lot of people. I do find the profiles maybe a bit too minimal and finding others not as easy as it could be. A user just suggested adding interest tags to help find users with similar interests. Personally, I'd like to be able to find and invite my twitter friends. But at least I don't have to see friends of friends, which is something I just don't get.&lt;br&gt;We interact with all of our users by sending them their lifestream stats via email. This can be turned off, but I'm pretty sure it gets in touch with those inactive users. And, I am almost always available to users should they have any questions or problems. Most of them just send me a message on twitter to @tinythoughts or a dm on &lt;a href="http://lifestream.fm" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank" title="lifestream.fm"&gt;lifestream.fm&lt;/a&gt; and I reply as quick as possible. I think the users really aprreciate this personal service. They tell me so, anway, and it makes me feel good that I can help them.&lt;br&gt;I suppose my favorite feature is our search, which is like having twitter search built in. There are certainly a few things I would change about &lt;a href="http://Lifestream.fm" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank" title="Lifestream.fm"&gt;Lifestream.fm&lt;/a&gt;, like getting the Adobe Air app to work properly, and you've given me a food for thoughts on a few other things. So a big thank you for that. I know you were meaning to give them a bit of constructive criticism, hope it's ok if it didn't fit just them :-)&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">tinythoughts</dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 08:59:28 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: louisgray.com: What FriendFeed Needs to Do To Grow and Keep New Users</title><link>http://blog.louisgray.com/2009/01/what-friendfeed-needs-to-do-to-grow-and.html#comment-4887174</link><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://friendfeed.com/franswaa" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank" title="http://friendfeed.com/franswaa"&gt;http://friendfeed.com/franswaa&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I've been on FF for a bit, but plan on really trying to 'figure it out' in 09. I'd agree that it's a bit more challenging than twitter and the fact the Tweetdeck came out really helped twitter gain momentum. I use that app daily and hardly ever go to the &lt;a href="http://Twitter.com" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank" title="Twitter.com"&gt;Twitter.com&lt;/a&gt; site.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;A desktop and iPhone app are critical ... and for people like me we should throw in a blackberry app. remember, blackberry still owns over 40% of that market :)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;@Luis (Luis Gray) or @Robert (Robert Scoble) ... would either of you have some suggested resources for learning the how-to's of FF?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I've seen this video by Scoble: &lt;a href="http://www.kyte.tv/ch/6118-scobleizer/301757-20-things-about-friendfeed#uri=channels/6118/304560" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank" title="http://www.kyte.tv/ch/6118-scobleizer/301757-20-things-about-friendfeed#uri=channels/6118/304560"&gt;http://www.kyte.tv/ch/6118-...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;thanks all !! (Great conversation going on here.)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;--&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href="http://twitter.com/franswaa" rel="nofollow noopener" target="_blank" title="http://twitter.com/franswaa"&gt;http://twitter.com/franswaa&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">frank</dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 22:12:09 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: louisgray.com: What FriendFeed Needs to Do To Grow and Keep New Users</title><link>http://blog.louisgray.com/2009/01/what-friendfeed-needs-to-do-to-grow-and.html#comment-4946944</link><description>&lt;p&gt;FriendFeed is for those with social media competency.  Why would it seek an audience lacking that skill?  It should simply be the best service available, as the audience grows naturally.&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Christopher Galtenberg</dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 12:12:00 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: louisgray.com: What FriendFeed Needs to Do To Grow and Keep New Users</title><link>http://blog.louisgray.com/2009/01/what-friendfeed-needs-to-do-to-grow-and.html#comment-4946878</link><description>&lt;p&gt;FriendFeed is for those with social media competency.  Why would it seek an audience lacking that skill?  It should simply be the best service available, as the audience grows naturally.&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Christopher Galtenberg</dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 12:12:00 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: louisgray.com: What FriendFeed Needs to Do To Grow and Keep New Users</title><link>http://blog.louisgray.com/2009/01/what-friendfeed-needs-to-do-to-grow-and.html#comment-4946926</link><description>&lt;p&gt;FriendFeed is for those with social media competency.  Why would it seek an audience lacking that skill?  It should simply be the best service available, as the audience grows naturally.&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Christopher Galtenberg</dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 12:12:00 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: louisgray.com: What FriendFeed Needs to Do To Grow and Keep New Users</title><link>http://blog.louisgray.com/2009/01/what-friendfeed-needs-to-do-to-grow-and.html#comment-4946807</link><description>&lt;p&gt;FriendFeed is for those with social media competency.  Why would it seek an audience lacking that skill?  It should simply be the best service available, as the audience grows naturally.&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Christopher Galtenberg</dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 12:12:00 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: louisgray.com: What FriendFeed Needs to Do To Grow and Keep New Users</title><link>http://blog.louisgray.com/2009/01/what-friendfeed-needs-to-do-to-grow-and.html#comment-4946755</link><description>&lt;p&gt;FriendFeed is for those with social media competency.  Why would it seek an audience lacking that skill?  It should simply be the best service available, as the audience grows naturally.&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Christopher Galtenberg</dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 12:12:00 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: louisgray.com: What FriendFeed Needs to Do To Grow and Keep New Users</title><link>http://blog.louisgray.com/2009/01/what-friendfeed-needs-to-do-to-grow-and.html#comment-4879560</link><description>&lt;p&gt;Personally I wouldn't mind a FF desktop app, if only to spare me from having several tabs open in Firefox simultaneously, each to my main feed. But yeah, it shouldn't be necessary -- those issues that make FF harder for casual users should be solved on the FF site.&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Chris Charabaruk</dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 11:08:51 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: louisgray.com: What FriendFeed Needs to Do To Grow and Keep New Users</title><link>http://blog.louisgray.com/2009/01/what-friendfeed-needs-to-do-to-grow-and.html#comment-4946943</link><description>&lt;p&gt;When we stop building walled palaces and figure out how to properly thread comments, FF will be extremely useful to the mainstream. Until then, the users must sift through comments on multiple posts of the same article, and don't even get me started on re-posts (MONA!) Just look at Louis's Disqus feed from this one post (He currently has 12 separate posts, some having additional comments not linked to this thread) and you will start to understand the problem. If this isn't fixed, Twitter and Facebook win.&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Bob Blunk</dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 10:29:00 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: louisgray.com: What FriendFeed Needs to Do To Grow and Keep New Users</title><link>http://blog.louisgray.com/2009/01/what-friendfeed-needs-to-do-to-grow-and.html#comment-4946925</link><description>&lt;p&gt;When we stop building walled palaces and figure out how to properly thread comments, FF will be extremely useful to the mainstream. Until then, the users must sift through comments on multiple posts of the same article, and don't even get me started on re-posts (MONA!) Just look at Louis's Disqus feed from this one post (He currently has 12 separate posts, some having additional comments not linked to this thread) and you will start to understand the problem. If this isn't fixed, Twitter and Facebook win.&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Bob Blunk</dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 10:29:00 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: louisgray.com: What FriendFeed Needs to Do To Grow and Keep New Users</title><link>http://blog.louisgray.com/2009/01/what-friendfeed-needs-to-do-to-grow-and.html#comment-4946877</link><description>&lt;p&gt;When we stop building walled palaces and figure out how to properly thread comments, FF will be extremely useful to the mainstream. Until then, the users must sift through comments on multiple posts of the same article, and don't even get me started on re-posts (MONA!) Just look at Louis's Disqus feed from this one post (He currently has 12 separate posts, some having additional comments not linked to this thread) and you will start to understand the problem. If this isn't fixed, Twitter and Facebook win.&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Bob Blunk</dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 10:29:00 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: louisgray.com: What FriendFeed Needs to Do To Grow and Keep New Users</title><link>http://blog.louisgray.com/2009/01/what-friendfeed-needs-to-do-to-grow-and.html#comment-4946806</link><description>&lt;p&gt;When we stop building walled palaces and figure out how to properly thread comments, FF will be extremely useful to the mainstream. Until then, the users must sift through comments on multiple posts of the same article, and don't even get me started on re-posts (MONA!) Just look at Louis's Disqus feed from this one post (He currently has 12 separate posts, some having additional comments not linked to this thread) and you will start to understand the problem. If this isn't fixed, Twitter and Facebook win.&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Bob Blunk</dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 10:29:00 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: louisgray.com: What FriendFeed Needs to Do To Grow and Keep New Users</title><link>http://blog.louisgray.com/2009/01/what-friendfeed-needs-to-do-to-grow-and.html#comment-4946754</link><description>&lt;p&gt;When we stop building walled palaces and figure out how to properly thread comments, FF will be extremely useful to the mainstream. Until then, the users must sift through comments on multiple posts of the same article, and don't even get me started on re-posts (MONA!) Just look at Louis's Disqus feed from this one post (He currently has 12 separate posts, some having additional comments not linked to this thread) and you will start to understand the problem. If this isn't fixed, Twitter and Facebook win.&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Bob Blunk</dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 10:29:00 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: louisgray.com: What FriendFeed Needs to Do To Grow and Keep New Users</title><link>http://blog.louisgray.com/2009/01/what-friendfeed-needs-to-do-to-grow-and.html#comment-4877556</link><description>&lt;p&gt;well, it's not just the illusion of privacy that makes Facebook preferable, it's also that you log into Facebook to be on Facebook and the newsfeed is just one of the features it provides. &lt;br&gt;Friendfeed feels like it's nothing but a newsfeed.&lt;br&gt;FB is low maintenance; FF has the feel of high investments in time and energy and therefore high maintenance. That's very off-putting.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; I'm not one of the early adopter techie crowd (this is one of the few blogs I find both comprehensible as well as useful so thank you for that), but I do like the internet toys. Provided, though, they make my life easier.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The only reason I kept my FF account is because of the widgets. I think that's a nice tool they provided, letting me take my stumbleupon feed/ youtube feed, etc and post a widget in the sidebar of my blog. My idea was to use, for example, pages and articles I stumble or youtube videos I favourite and share it with people who're not on either of those services and not on FF. &lt;br&gt;(the majority of my online friends are not on FF)&lt;br&gt;That's a use for Friendfeed that a lot of people can easily understand, easily use and not need to interact with the service itself to benefit from it.&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">David de Beer</dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 04:49:39 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: louisgray.com: What FriendFeed Needs to Do To Grow and Keep New Users</title><link>http://blog.louisgray.com/2009/01/what-friendfeed-needs-to-do-to-grow-and.html#comment-4877422</link><description>&lt;p&gt;all that when u coulda just said FriendFeed sux&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Mark</dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 04:14:40 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: louisgray.com: What FriendFeed Needs to Do To Grow and Keep New Users</title><link>http://blog.louisgray.com/2009/01/what-friendfeed-needs-to-do-to-grow-and.html#comment-4946942</link><description>&lt;p&gt;I agree with the points mentioned, FF is a great tool and with a few tweaks etc they'll continue their growth :)&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Nicholas James</dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 03:34:00 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: louisgray.com: What FriendFeed Needs to Do To Grow and Keep New Users</title><link>http://blog.louisgray.com/2009/01/what-friendfeed-needs-to-do-to-grow-and.html#comment-4946924</link><description>&lt;p&gt;I agree with the points mentioned, FF is a great tool and with a few tweaks etc they'll continue their growth :)&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Nicholas James</dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 03:34:00 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: louisgray.com: What FriendFeed Needs to Do To Grow and Keep New Users</title><link>http://blog.louisgray.com/2009/01/what-friendfeed-needs-to-do-to-grow-and.html#comment-4946876</link><description>&lt;p&gt;I agree with the points mentioned, FF is a great tool and with a few tweaks etc they'll continue their growth :)&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Nicholas James</dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 03:34:00 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: louisgray.com: What FriendFeed Needs to Do To Grow and Keep New Users</title><link>http://blog.louisgray.com/2009/01/what-friendfeed-needs-to-do-to-grow-and.html#comment-4946753</link><description>&lt;p&gt;I agree with the points mentioned, FF is a great tool and with a few tweaks etc they'll continue their growth :)&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Nicholas James</dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 03:34:00 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: louisgray.com: What FriendFeed Needs to Do To Grow and Keep New Users</title><link>http://blog.louisgray.com/2009/01/what-friendfeed-needs-to-do-to-grow-and.html#comment-4946805</link><description>&lt;p&gt;I agree with the points mentioned, FF is a great tool and with a few tweaks etc they'll continue their growth :)&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Nicholas James</dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 03:34:00 -0000</pubDate></item><item><title>Re: louisgray.com: What FriendFeed Needs to Do To Grow and Keep New Users</title><link>http://blog.louisgray.com/2009/01/what-friendfeed-needs-to-do-to-grow-and.html#comment-4877080</link><description>&lt;p&gt;I agree with the need for a "Lite" version except I would recommend it be a classic Lifestream. By that I mean it would offer all the services available but not opt the user in to the community. This would be done by not having the comment &amp;amp; like features available. That would also ensure that it maintains the standard reverse chronological order of a Lifestream. New users could then explore other feeds on FriendFeed and then get a better understanding of how likes and comments are used before turning the feature on for their own feed. I have other ideas as to what features should be turned off by default but the UI and path to graduate users on to more advanced feature set would also be a challenging task from both a logic and UI perspective.&lt;/p&gt;</description><dc:creator xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">Mark Krynsky</dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 03:12:08 -0000</pubDate></item></channel></rss>