louisgray.com: louisgray.com: Twitter Planning to Implement OpenMicroblogging Standard
directeur
· 1 year ago
From the specs: "To post a notice to the local service, the remote service sends an HTTP POST message to the postNotice URL discovered above. "
HTTP POST. So where's the "innovation" here? We're on top of TCP/IP, it's not similar to TCP/IP. it's using it! This said, I, personnaly, don't believe in this OpenMicroblogging thing, and calling it a "standard" is IMHO "too much". We're reinventing old stuff. And I firmely believe that, in fact, using old proven protocols can really help.
Jesse Stay
· 1 year ago
directeur (I really miss your posts on FriendFeed, btw - I was just getting to know you!), every advance in technology is a layer on top of pre-existing technology. We build technology so others can re-use it and make things better.
It's a protocol, similar to the fact that TCP/IP is a protocol - yes, it's using TCP/IP, but we're making protocols, which, in essence build on top of other protocols. I don't see anything wrong with that. You don't have to believe in it, nor do you have to use it. The great thing about it is it's there for you to use if you ever need it, though.
directeur
· 1 year ago
Jesse, thanks for the kind words! I really appreciate it :)
Yes, you're right. Smart people are those who don't reinvent the wheel. What I was talking about actually is similar to what Tim calls: "Don’t Invent XML Languages" http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2006/01/... . because I humbly think that we already have tools for this kind of things.
We have OPML for the list of subscriptions. We have ATOM/RSS for feeds reading, we have TRACKBACKS for replies. Isn't that enough for microblogging? I mean, microblogging is after all "Blogging" whatever we think, it's just "content" publishing. (EDIT: Here's my detailed view: http://bit.ly/no :) )
Jesse Stay
· 1 year ago
Directeur those are great ideas. You should bring them up with Evan who wrote the standard (@evan on identi.ca) - he'd know better than I why they didn't use those standards. He also listens much better than Twitter.
Ari Herzog
· 1 year ago
If I understand you correctly, Louis, this open microblogging standard would be similar to Trillian and other instant messenger clients that enable a user to be simultaneously logged into AIM, Yahoo, MSN, ICQ, etc in a common window?
Jesse Stay
· 1 year ago
Ari, I'm not Louis, but it's not quite like that. It would be more like you being on AIM and being able to follow someone on MSN right in your AIM client. Come to think of it, MSN does this to an extent by allowing you to follow other Yahoo members in your MSN client.
Ari Herzog
· 1 year ago
Yes, you're Jesse, not Louis. Hi. :)
I understand it better now; when I have my GMail window open, I can message with friends on AIM.
Jesse Stay
· 1 year ago
Hi! Yeah - it's kinda like that. It's not fully there, but that's kind of the concept.
Omar
· 1 year ago
Waiting for Microblogging to be unleashed to integrate with my Social.Dominicana.co community. Looking for stable Opensource social application/services
CraigK
· 1 year ago
I kinda understand the concept of open microblogging and thanks Jesse for the AIM analogy to help clear things up. I understand some benefits of having an open microblog system where you can follow/talk to someone who uses a different service. At the same time, can't that be thought of as a negative.
Essentially if one "best" application can do that, then competition would probably decrease between competitors and features and enhancements would be ignored. By having separate close networks, it forces the companies to continually look to improve and be creative about their service and what to offer users. I can see close networks as a benefit for the overall micro-blog industry. Does anyone see if that way as well or other benefits as to keeping it closed?
This, when implemented, will be a really big deal. I'm thrilled at the possibility of Twitter playing in the OMB playground. Thanks for bringing us this buried little gem of news. :)
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HTTP POST. So where's the "innovation" here? We're on top of TCP/IP, it's not similar to TCP/IP. it's using it!
This said, I, personnaly, don't believe in this OpenMicroblogging thing, and calling it a "standard" is IMHO "too much". We're reinventing old stuff. And I firmely believe that, in fact, using old proven protocols can really help.
It's a protocol, similar to the fact that TCP/IP is a protocol - yes, it's using TCP/IP, but we're making protocols, which, in essence build on top of other protocols. I don't see anything wrong with that. You don't have to believe in it, nor do you have to use it. The great thing about it is it's there for you to use if you ever need it, though.
Yes, you're right. Smart people are those who don't reinvent the wheel. What I was talking about actually is similar to what Tim calls: "Don’t Invent XML Languages" http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2006/01/... . because I humbly think that we already have tools for this kind of things.
We have OPML for the list of subscriptions. We have ATOM/RSS for feeds reading, we have TRACKBACKS for replies. Isn't that enough for microblogging? I mean, microblogging is after all "Blogging" whatever we think, it's just "content" publishing.
(EDIT: Here's my detailed view: http://bit.ly/no :) )
who wrote the standard (@evan on identi.ca) - he'd know better than I
why they didn't use those standards. He also listens much better than
Twitter.
I understand it better now; when I have my GMail window open, I can message with friends on AIM.
kind of the concept.
Looking for stable Opensource social application/services
Essentially if one "best" application can do that, then competition would probably decrease between competitors and features and enhancements would be ignored. By having separate close networks, it forces the companies to continually look to improve and be creative about their service and what to offer users. I can see close networks as a benefit for the overall micro-blog industry. Does anyone see if that way as well or other benefits as to keeping it closed?
Craig
www.budgetpulse.com
This, when implemented, will be a really big deal. I'm thrilled at the possibility of Twitter playing in the OMB playground. Thanks for bringing us this buried little gem of news. :)