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louisgray.com: louisgray.com: The Importance Of Blog Linking Seems to Be Declining

  • Scobleizer · 1 year ago
    I've noticed the same thing. I'm getting a lot more visits from FriendFeed and Twitter than most anyplace else. Except when I get on the home page of Digg, BBC, NYT, or some site like that (and those are harder and harder to get onto).

    One other thing I noticed is that as blogging turned into a business fewer and fewer links were coming my way from other blogs. Still working it out what it all means, but for me it means going back to the basics and participating, finding interesting stories that other bloggers are ignoring, and getting stuff no one else is (interviews with Congressmen/women, for instance).
  • Edwin Khodabakchian · 1 year ago
    +1 Robert: you should leave news breaking to the big blogs and focus on magazine-like quality articles/videos as asking a few of hard questions and help moderate the discussions.
  • centernetworks · 1 year ago
    Louis - what you need to realize is that most times when a blog references another blog, it's part of an overall story about some topic. The topic or product will typically receive the traffic while the other blogs will get the link juice. Some big blogs refuse to link out anymore, except to their own site network.

    The sad part is that at this rate with the changes going on, blogging will be dead within a year - especially tech blogging. People aren't realizing yet that cannibalism is going on. Save my comment and look back in a year and see if I am right :)
  • Louis Gray · 1 year ago
    Your comment about internal linking vs. external linking is one I've covered a lot here in the past. I think it is very important to link out to other voices, or when you link to a keyword like Apple, LinkedIn, or CenterNetworks, that you're going to the destination site, not other stories you've had on that topic.

    Yes, in many cases, a reference can be made to another blog around a big topic that gets the majority of the visitors. (Example: Someone writes about TweetDeck and says I got the story first. TweetDeck should get 90% of the visitors) That absolutely makes sense.
  • centernetworks · 1 year ago
    you also have to remember that for some blogs, it's critical they appear first - if that wall is broken down, it will hurt. so they don't link out to others who came first because then that becomes reality. it absolutely sucks.

    people need to remember the elevator analogy more often.
  • elliottng · 1 year ago
    I totally disagree with this comment from Allen. Certain kinds of amplification blogging or repeating will be sucked into FriendFeed and other aggregators, as will commenting. But long-form prose will continue to be needed for making more complex arguments where people need more control over content presentation than what you get in FriendFeed or a Disqus comment. And people will continue to pursue long-term and larger courses of study/discussion/dialog in the form of a blog.

    Also, there is the issue of Google. I'm not sure what Google will be doing with the distribution of comments and content into Twitter, FriendFeed and other aggregators. There will be a slow evolution but in the meantime, Google's algo will probably still reward high quality blogs with lots of high quality links and high quality content.

    If Allen amends his comment to be: "Blogging is Dead! Long Live Blogging!" then I will agree. But this new form of blogging will be have to be much higher quality as certain types of blogging behavior migrate into Disqus, FriendFeed, Twitter, GoogleReader, etc.
  • centernetworks · 1 year ago
    what i am saying is that in the tech blogosphere, there are a few things going on that if brought together could be bad. let me spell them out for you...

    1. a few of the big blogs refuse to link outside their network
    2. techies are using tools like twitter and ff to share things - not the typical blog links like they were using in the past
    3. more and more tech people are reading content in a reader which basically isn't monetizable. then when they see a story they like, they google share it or pimp it on ff or twitter - again no link

    what it means is that we all have to work even harder for the links we have

    Danny makes an excellent point regarding Google - for a handful of blogs, they already have their google credits and so no future linking to those blogs will matter at all. For those of us who need links, the discussion is quite different.
  • elliottng · 1 year ago
    Got it. This was helpful. I think Google will have to evolve to capture signals sent via TinyURL, GoogleReader sharing, Twitter, FriendFeed. This will be much more difficult because the context is more difficult to decipher than in blogs. But I'm sure Google will figure that out.

    But I see what you are saying about the oxygen being sucked out of the ecosystem by the big blogs and aggregators and the increasing difficulty of monetization.

    All I ask is: for people like louisgray and centernetworks and scoblelizer, give out links generously to smaller bloggers because it is the fuel that will power their discoverability through Google.

    I don't have anything intelligent to say about the monetization issue other than to say thanks for explaining!
  • Jesse Stay · 1 year ago
    Louis, I'm so glad you posted this - I've been fortunate to be linked by TechCrunch, Guy Kawasaki, you, and others, and was very surprised to see how little traffic I got from some of them (well, relatively speaking). I had almost as much traffic from a "like" on one of my articles from Scoble on FriendFeed than I did from TechCrunch. Being a headline article on Techmeme has been my all-time high (never been on Digg or Slashdot, unfortunately - that's my next goal!), at near 10 times the traffic of TechCrunch's. To give credit where it's due, while traffic wasn't *huge*, both yours and Guy Kawasaki's posts converted to a large number of RSS subscriptions, which is one of the things I care most about.

    I have only recently seen the likes of these types of links so I don't know how things used to be, but I was quite surprised to not see the "effect" that I've heard so many sysadmins cringe at. It also makes me wonder if the "TechCrunch" effect is a myth. This is one more reason these sites like FriendFeed and Twitter are so important - I think they are the future way of driving traffic and most importantly, community (aka the recurring visitors), to your blog.
  • Edwin Khodabakchian · 1 year ago
    This is an interesting post with a lot juicy data (as usual). I think that for service providers the patterns are different: when we got the write up from life hacker, our traffic/downloads saw a very big spike. I understand that this is more than just a link but it is still important to point out that the mashable and scoble's of the world have a big firepower which can be used in combination with the social media/twitter centric distribution model.
  • Louis Gray · 1 year ago
    Yes, for a developer, it's critical still to be part of the blog review cycle. I know I've done that here myself a lot (Feedly anyone?). But for blogs talking about other blogs, it's not as critical as maybe it once was.
  • Loic Lemeur · 1 year ago
    great post, I agree Louis and Robert, same happening with me. I use Twitter Friendfeed and Seesmic to have my conversations, I write a blog post only when I feel like something more important to say. And I do not count on links from other bloggers in fact I do not really care as my friends will get to my post anyway through Twitter and FF (we are adding related urls to Seesmic too so I hope Seesmic will send traffic soon as well).
  • Jesse Stay · 1 year ago
    Loic, excellent points - it really doesn't matter any more if other bloggers link to you (well, it is one more way to spread your brand, but not quite as effective). I really think the need for blogging has significantly diminished since the forthcoming of these services. Paying attention to how you can participate in these services can be far more effective than having a big blogger promote your blog (although it does get you recognized by Techmeme!).
  • Michael McGimpsey · 1 year ago
    The power of the social web is growing. Could it eventually replace search?
  • charlieanzman · 1 year ago
    Nothing will 'replace' search for a long, long time (in the mainstream)
  • charlieanzman · 1 year ago
    I think we're seeing the evolution of a 'third channel'. First the lines got blurred between SEO and Online Marketing (Bloggers, Bookmarkers, etc.), then Twitter, and now Friendfeed drawing interest of people very quickly (AND creating dialog). I call it 'parallel marketing' ... and I think it's just the beginning.
  • shafqat · 1 year ago
    Great insight, and love the transparency you provide with your stats! The TechCrunch effect has also subsided quite a bit of entrepreuneurs/startups, not just bloggers. A year ago, a TC post would drive tens of thousands of visitors. Today? A couple thousand, maybe more? There is an abundance of choice out there, and we're really seeing the long-tail effect, coupled with social media distribution take over the 'big blog links.'

    Transforming information into useable knowledge. Now that is the key!
  • Louis Gray · 1 year ago
    I'm no TechCrunch expert, and can't speak on their behalf. But my guess regarding your data is that it's a function of how many stories they are now writing. TechCrunch's subscription data and visibility, across the network, I have to assume, is higher than ever. But given the rate of stories, even the most attentive of people could only fully research a subsection of topics, leading to what you see as reduced visit counts.
  • Brendan Cooper · 1 year ago
    Interesting analysis. You could say that a lot of traffic is driven from, say, StumbleUpon, but I wonder whether the links from other bloggers are a better endorsement, given that they *probably* read, digested and understood your point better than someone simply following a link.
  • robdiana · 1 year ago
    And now a comment from one of the little people. I have gotten very little traffic from blog links, even the famed "Louis Gray Effect". I do get more subscribers from referrals like that, but pure traffic is really coming from StumbleUpon, Digg, and FriendFeed. The real question is what are you looking for? if you are you looking for traffic, submit stuff to Digg. If you are looking for recurring readers and more subscribers, then spread the link love.
  • Louis Gray · 1 year ago
    Bingo. It's quality vs. quantity. In October I posted a graph showing "sticky" visitors vs. "spiky" visitors, and it's clear the most relevant visitors come from peer blogs (I referenced Scoble and Techmeme).

    http://www.louisgray.com/live/2007/10/tech-blog...

    You can spike with Digg and the rest and have a one-time bump, but they don't necessarily leave with new RSS feed subscriptions.
  • Danny Sullivan · 1 year ago
    Louis, your top referrring source is Google/organic -- which is primarily Google web search. And Google web search is heavily influenced by linkage. Those links all help build your site into an authority that can pull in search traffic when other sites without links simply lose out. I agree you shouldn't be sitting around hoping that some supposed A-List blogger will make your day. But the headline is a bit too broad -- the importance of linking is what drives the bulk of your traffic, I'd say.
  • Louis Gray · 1 year ago
    Danny, you are absolutely correct. To underestimate Google's power, and the algorithm behind Google search, would be silly. You said the headline is too broad, but it's other bloggers' tendency to declare "Links are Dead" or some other superlative note. I caged this as "seems" to be "declining", which is softer. I didn't want to sound too aggressive.
  • elliottng · 1 year ago
    Louis, your blog post "Seems to be misleading". I echo Danny's comment. There is no more powerful signal to Google about your importance and your thematic area and your keyword space than links from authority blogs and websites. Especially for new bloggers and new blogs, getting links from established blogs is paramount if they are to be discovered for topics that they are focusing on, and that relevant traffic via search is super important in that initial 6 months when you are just writing for yourself...wandering in the desert looking for the promised land of readers and feedback. So I think this post may be correct for well established older blogs with lots of links from other established authoritative sites already. But for the new blogger, links can be the difference between the search traffic that keeps them in the game and another failed blog lost in the wilderness.
  • Svetlana Gladkova · 1 year ago
    Louis, I've been contemplating this topic for a while myself and never dared to post my own findings so thank you for making such observations public (I myself did not want to offend anyone).

    I remember the first time we got a link from Mashable and I was on the verge of pure grief over a dozen of visitors from there (it proves that a comment on their post gives almost the same in terms of traffic so leave a couple of comments and stop bothering about links from them or them refusing to attribute the sources). What such links from the top blogs definitely do provide (in tons) is attention from sploggers: their content gets scrapped along with your link and you get a few trackbacks (which I guess is good for Google PR since they are links anyway).

    All the other factors are absolutely true: social media and bookmarking services rule the show here and once you get on Hacker News, you can stop worrying about incoming links from bloggers.

    The only thing that I still hope for is that this realization won't kill conversation among bloggers which is very possible since so many people still believe that if they link out a lot they will get a lot of incoming links as well and traffic with them.

    P.S. Louis, the link to Profy here has brought us 3 visitors already, just FYI :)
  • Louis Gray · 1 year ago
    Svetlana, commenting and engaging on other blogs is always good practice, as you probably remember from Naked Conversations. I have also seen that the posts from RWW, Mashable, TechCrunch have led to their mirror sploggers artificially plumping up the Technorati count, but I think Google and team will be smart enough to discount bad links from the good.

    Don't sit on your hands thinking this article will drive hundreds to Profy. It was but one link in a few dozen. :-)
  • Svetlana Gladkova · 1 year ago
    Louis, since I actually realized traffic is rarely huge from linking blogs, I never actually expected I'd get some from here - my P.S. was nothing but a joke, of course.

    And I still have doubts about how smart Google is in determining splogs and not taking them into account to calculate pagerank. At least Technorati still shows all the splogs and the authority is often pretty much increased when a link to your blog is scraped from a TechCrunch post.

    And so instead of sitting on my hands I think I'd better thank you for adding Profy to your list of the most prominent tech blogs - I don't know how it escaped my mind in the first comment :)
  • sarahintampa · 1 year ago
    I'll admit, I'm a little confused by the title.

    Getting linked boosts Google traffic. Google traffic is more than double FriendFeed traffic and still your #1 source of traffic. Looks to me that linking is still extremely important.

    What's really going on is that FriendFeed is now another channel for incoming links (like Charlie says above).

    The stats I'd *really* like to see are the incoming referrals from Google.com over time. Were they higher prior to FriendFeed's launch? After FriendFeed became popular have the Google referrals decreased? If so, then you could say linking is "less important." If not, then you could say FriendFeed is a big source of traffic. But just because FriendFeed traffic has increased, that doesn't mean Google traffic has decreased (has it?)
  • bloggersblog · 1 year ago
    Bloggers are still checking inbound links and referrals from other blogs. Look a little farther down your list of referring sites and technorati (although not as useful as it once was) is probably there somewhere. :-)
  • gregorylent · 1 year ago
    attention shifts

    we used to look at the web and share it ... now we look at ourselves, the web is the background
  • fred · 1 year ago
    One should note that some bloggers' posts are getting longer and longer -- and they're using more of the original source text, making it all but unnecessary for many to click on the original blog for more information. Some blogs (the jerkier ones) are also burying source links, as if they know they HAVE to link to the original source but don't really want anyone to click on it.
  • richiepear · 1 year ago
    I agree with Danny - links are the backbone of your organic search ranking which, as your stats suggest, are your dominant traffic driver.

    It would be interesting to find out if you were actually receiving less links, meaning that fewer bloggers are linking out . . .
  • webomatica · 1 year ago
    My logs agree with your observations. Google far and away drives all my traffic. It seems people aren't clicking through links as much anymore - perhaps "ad blindness" has now crossed over into links as well.
  • gzino · 1 year ago
    Other factors to add to your good list:
    1. Over-supply, especially in tech space, exasperated by commercial interests.
    2. Attention and time constrained readers.
    3. A valley in really interesting topics that readers seek multiple perspectives on.
  • bloggersblog · 1 year ago
    I'll add another comment. Links from other blogs has never ever been the main source of a blog's traffic. Louis Gray probably got most of his traffic from other blogs initially as he was just getting started and now his traffic looks more like that of a typical blog where most traffic comes from search engines, social media, bookmarks and feeds. So to really know if bloggers are linking less we need another measurement other than traffic.

    That said links from other blogs are obviously very important because they can boost search rankings and because if other bloggers notice you they are more likely to link to you, etc.
  • Anthony Farrior · 1 year ago
    :) great article. "for even a so-called A-List blogger"...
  • Anton · 1 year ago
    Thanks for a really interesting post! I have to say I see the same trends in my Google Analytics too.

    But a question: how can the blog phenomena been developed so it links getting more power, gives more traffic and a higher value? I think there's possible for a lot of good improvements if we just have the ideas!
  • Mark Ivey · 1 year ago
    Louis: another great post and discussion Louis, but I'm not sure it was ever a healthy strategy to build traffic putting so much emphasis on links anyhow-- or a lottery type approach with the big guys ("begging Scoble or Mashable to write you up." ) This seems to be part of the evolution of blogs, and as we move more toward sites like Twitter and Friendfeed to have our discussions, bloggers will have to keep adjusting. What's fascinating to me, coming out of the "old media" (BusinessWeek) is how nimble the new media is, and how quickly they/we all adjust to an ever changing market.
  • Andrew Meyer · 1 year ago
    Blog linking behavior seems to be a bit different from blog category to category. I know your post is commenting more on tech blogs, but the other blog categories are interesting as well.

    For instance, I think music blogs have always had poor in-post blog linking (but great mp3 file linking and extensive blogrolls). Gabe Rivera once showed me an unreleased Techmeme for music blogs. He said that it didn't track music memes very well for a variety of reasons but mostly linking. And, that's why we've never seen it in the Techmeme stable with Memeorandum, WeSmirch, Ballbug, etc.
  • spragued · 1 year ago
    It's all good. Blog linking was an inefficient method for sharing info/ driving traffic. Socnets are far more efficient. For example, yesterday something I wrote was Twittered by Dare Obesanjo, which drove a bunch of traffic, then someone picked it up from Twitter and put it on their Facebook wall. Lots more traffic. Waiting around in the "old days" for my blog buddies to pick up an item and share it was far less productive.

    And, as a content producer, I like the fact that socnets are depleting the blogging pool by reducing the number of sites of people who were just looking for conversations. The hordes of eager commenters on all the new outlets need content to chew on, which means those of us who continue to write will see our value increase.
  • michaeldaehn · 1 year ago
    @spuds Like other media, it is a both/and not an either/or proposition. We still have AM radio and Postal Mail. We are adding tools. It will get tougher to keep up with everything, or you will need to specialize or outsource in specific areas.

    A trend I see is person to person. How do corporations tweet or create Facebook profiles? These tools are for individuals. That means corporations will need to empower and unleash the voices of their employees if they want to play in this space.
  • Maria Reyes-McDavis · 1 year ago
    Great, great insightful post. I've noticed the same in my traffic logs, as well!

    Maria Reyes-McDavis
  • David Dalka · 1 year ago
    It's about relevancy, not quantity of traffic. You're right about quantity, wrong about relevancy to people who live "outside social media". Links, like it or not, still determine that for "normal people" - you know those 99.9% of the world that actually lives outside the echo chamber. For many people those random search visitors are far more valuable.
  • Liz · 1 year ago
    This is very interesting. I find that there is a lot of repetition in the topics of the blogs I use to visit so I'm just being more selective, trying to read blogs in a wider variety of fields instead of the same old, same old. It led me here!
  • moneyries · 1 year ago
    It's still a blast to check out the site meter and see your blog linked to by an influential blogger with a million-plus readership.
  • Dennis D. McDonald · 1 year ago
    Excellent commentary. I've sort of felt this analysis myself, even though my own blog is much more obscure.

    But aside from traffic, linking, sources being social sites, or whatever, what I'm beginning to suspect is that interest groups -- some people call them "communities" -- have absolute sizes and intensity levels that drive their interaction frequency, and this interaction can occur through an increasing variety of means, not just via linking, phone calls, IMs, tweets, or whatever.

    I'm sure network analysts have a more technical term for this phenomenon, which is that, for any given type of social event, the participants will choose a method of interaction that is available, easy to use, and appropriate to the participants and rge occasion. Linking is a behavior that takes effort. Why engage in it when you can just jump into FriendFeed or Twitter and connect?

    One thing to watch out for, though, is to assume geeks and non-geeks behave similarly. Another issue is that, by focusing too much on interacting with like-minded groups, our ideas and thoughts won't "leak out" to others who might also be interested in benefiting.
  • Henrick · 1 year ago
    That's why search engines like www.blogdimension.com propose microblogs search (Twitter, Jaiku, FriendFeed, Tumblr, etc.).
  • jerry · 1 year ago
    Blog linking was never important, just novel....
  • shel Israel · 1 year ago
    I find that traffic from large site links just passes through in the form of a numerical spike. When the issue poin ted to is over, just about all the new visitors go away. When visitors come from links of smaller blogs, a larger percentage become regular visitors. Bottom line, I'm beginning to think links from lesser knw bloggers are more valuable to me than links from the big names.
  • Eric Hamilton · 1 year ago
    You're under-estimating the power of that google-juice, and you're under-estimating the power of a big blog write up to drive a lot of other inbound links, and mentions on those same social media sites that you're raving about here. Did it occur to you that a lot of people coming from the social media sites may never have visited without the links in the influential blogs?
  • Orrorin · 1 year ago
    Blogs became commidities and are starting to show their limits (certainly for the most widely known ones). They are to transform, evolve, dissapear and revive in a new mold. As the internet is continuing its growth based on social behaviors and application, I believe that blog linking has a great future, but not the way it is done today.

    Having myself a very small (and new blog) I start understanding the importance of interaction over linking. But where does the difference between both lies, or rather, how to merge both and make them become one? That is the real question.

    The one who manages to define it, might actually come with the next big application...
    (and I'm not talking about wiki technology)
  • Michael Becker · 1 year ago
    The modern Web has devalued linking; you're right to say that all of the new ways we read blogs have minimized the number of times we have to click on a hyperlink, which is sad considering that the hyperlink is really the bedrock feature of the Web. (Side note: it makes me wonder whether people will eventually reduce the number of links in their Web pages to the point that Google's PageRank feature doesn't work anymore). I know that when I read my daily dose of blogs in NetNewsWire and Feed Demon, I don't click through often.

    However, I find that links to new sites still intrigue me enough to click on them, even in my RSS reader. That's why I have so many bloody RSS feeds: people link to new blogs that I've never heard of before and I immediately add them to my subscriptions list for later reading.
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  • Tony Sena · 11 months ago
    I still would take quality traffic or quantity of traffic any day. I noticed I get a great amount of traffic from Twitter after I write a blog article but I am pretty confident that Twitter is not generating the traffic I want. I am looking for consumers that want to buy or sell real estate in Las Vegas. Most of my targeted traffic still uses the search engines to find what they are looking for, not social media sites but I am sure that will change over the next 3 to 5 years.
  • John · 9 months ago
    This is an incredible article that really explains some of the points I keep trying to explain to my friends in regards to blog linking and other social networking marketing ideas. Keep up the great work!
  • michael · 1 month ago
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