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louisgray.com: louisgray.com: ReTweet.com's Rip-off Of TweetMeme Is Embarrassing and Wrong

  • Sheamus · 4 months ago
    Quite. In a year or two Retweet.com will be studied as an example of how to do everything wrong when launching a competitor product. At every level it appears that their initial thought was, "So, we could do all this from scratch, or just copy what those guys are doing. Hey, it works for them!"

    What'll be interesting is if the value of that 'killer' domain name is completely wiped out by their antics, if and when somebody buys it off them when they're inevitably forced out of business.
  • Louis Gray · 4 months ago
    It's really disappointing. There's so much wrong with it that I didn't know whether to give it two sentences or two pages. Just a mess. I have a lot higher expectations for where I want to spend energy, and try very hard not to rip on services, but this had to be called out.
  • Scobleizer · 4 months ago
    Amen!
  • Hameedullah Khan · 4 months ago
    I thought ReTweet.com will be a real competition to tweetmeme, but it is very sad that they proved to be another clone.
  • Riaz Kanani · 4 months ago
    oh dear - the error message with a tweetmeme db table was a bit of a giveaway as well..

    looking forward to your next post on retweet..
  • Dennis Jernberg · 4 months ago
    I use TweetMeme's "retweet" button on my blogs. When I found out that ReTweet.com would be such a clone, I decided I wouldn't touch it with the proverbial 10-foot pole. Lawsuit, anyone?
  • Louis Gray · 4 months ago
    Not to mention the Search is "Coming Soon". Fail. Fail. Fail.
  • Stuart Dallas · 4 months ago
    You've gotta love the fact that they make you try a search before telling you it doesn't work yet.
  • alexmarktl · 4 months ago
    Hi Louis.

    As you may remember, about one and a half year ago about the same thing happened to me with ReadBurner, beeing copied by RSSMeme and others. I personally had not so much against the clones, since competition is a good motivator.

    The problem is, that it's not really hard to build the first iteration of these aggregators. The hard part is to keep pushing it into the right direction and to keep innovating (one part where both ReadBurner & RSSMeme failed, otherwise they should be in that space today).

    Let them fight it out.
    I believe that ultimativley the innovator and thought leader will win over the copy cat.
    Of course we all know that this is not always the case (eg. Apple vs MS) ;-)
  • John Wright · 4 months ago
    While ReTweet.com's blatant straight-forward clone of Tweetmeme is completely lame, I think it's worth mentioning that Tweetmeme was not the first in this space of aggregating and counting twitter links.

    Twitturly http://twitturly.com was around many months before Tweetmeme. While it seems Tweetmeme is able to provide better quality links and has an overall better execution of the idea, in my mind (knowing of Twitturly first) they copied Twitturly.
  • nickhalstead · 4 months ago
    John,

    TweetMeme was around way before twitturly, if you look at the date of this original coverage for TweetMeme -> http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/28/the-killer... it launched in January 2008

    But it only become popular when we revisited it in February this year, so you can be forgiven for thinking that :)
  • John Wright · 4 months ago
    ahh, I stand corrected... thanks for the reference link http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/28/the-killer...
  • Richard Cunningham · 4 months ago
    Aren't those categories essentially the same as Digg even with the ampersand which precedes both sites?

    Also I'm not sure why friendfeed should get credit for liking, how is it different to favoriting something on Flickr or 'loving' something on Last.fm which both precede it?
  • Louis Gray · 4 months ago
    Digg clones are many - and yes, there are overlaps, but not in the same clear way as Retweet.com vs. Tweetmeme.com. When it comes to news, you can expect some basics, but this is silly.

    As for FriendFeed and "like", yes you can favorite/thumbs up/love things all over the Web, so they weren't revolutionary, but their specific use was later copied by others.
  • Michael Rose · 4 months ago
    'All Rights Reservered" (sic)

    LOL
  • Eric K · 4 months ago
    Disagreed.

    Although it is clearly a rip off, the services will likely leapfrog eachother in features, which is ultimately better for us, the users. Otherwise, TweetMeme would have no competition and could coast along without having to look over their shoulder - what fun is that?
  • nickhalstead · 4 months ago
  • DirtyAndy · 4 months ago
    Whilst I am all with the ReTweet ripping off Tweetmeme thing lets at least have a little balance in this debate. Below is the list of menu items from Tweetmeme and the number signifies their position on Digg - Tweetmeme is as big a rip off of Digg as Retweet is of Tweetmeme.

    Home (Doesn't appear)
    Comedy 8 (offbeat)
    Entertainment 6
    Gaming 4
    Lifestyle 5
    Science 3
    Sports 7
    Technology 1
    World&Business 2
  • EzraButler · 4 months ago
    You have seemed to miss the point. It's not that they only have the same menu names - its that they have it in the same exact order. The order, as you show from Digg, is not what one would think logical. But it shows that they know their audience.

    Digg and Techmeme are in two different fields. ReTweet and Techmeme are going after the same exact audience with identical needs.
  • DirtyAndy · 4 months ago
    If the point of this article is that Nick and the team managed to take an exact copy of the menus on Digg (and its design) and rearrange them, and because they did that rather than take a copy and not rearrange them as Retweet did, then yes I missed the point.

    I don't know why I have been following this saga because I have little interest in either company, although the reactions of "commentators" are very interesting. So far the key points I have seen are:
    1. Retweet is not original idea, Tweetmeme has already done it. I would say there are few original ideas out there, Google wasn't the first search engine, Gmail wasn't the first online mail provider
    2. Retweet actually referenced Tweetmeme in their design competition. I would say that this is probably pretty standard, it would be surprising to imagine that who ever designed Tweetmeme hadn't seen Digg.
    3. Retweet used Tweetmeme's code. Pretty dumb to get so blatantly caught - but any developer who hasn't looked at the javascript or css code of some site that had functionality they needed and then copied it is an idiot - you don't need to reinvent the wheel everytime
    4. One article on Techcrunch said Retweet was using Tweetmeme's table names. If this was true then it would imply that someone from Tweetmeme has crossed over to the darkside and that is pretty bad

    Retweet is obviously a copy of Tweetmeme, but it has probably achieved a lot lot more publicity through all the coverage it has had than it ever would have if it hadn't copied code - I bet it has helped its search rank amazingly! I've heard Nick H speak at a Techcrunch event and he is a smart guy and obviously ready to start some serious innovation with Tweetmeme, it will be that which decides the difference between the two services.

    I'll finish this very long reply with my favourite quote, by a film maker named Jim Jarmusch (who I have never heard of). It is film centric, but I think works well with anything:
    Nothing is original. Steal from anywhere that resonates with inspiration or fuels your imagination. Devour old films, new films, music, books, paintings, photographs, poems, dreams, random conversations, architecture, bridges, street signs, trees, clouds, bodies of water, light and shadows. Select only things to steal from that speak directly to your soul. If you do this, your work (and theft) will be authentic. Authenticity is invaluable; originality is nonexistent. And don’t bother concealing your thievery—celebrate it if you feel like it. In any case, always remember what Jean-Luc Godard said: “It’s not where you take things from—it’s where you take them to.”
  • Sean Boone · 4 months ago
    lol I agree with Dirty Andy.

    Dirty Andy: "Below is the list of menu items from Tweetmeme and the number signifies their position on Digg - Tweetmeme is as big a rip off of Digg.

    Home (Doesn't appear)
    Comedy 8 (offbeat)
    Entertainment 6
    Gaming 4
    Lifestyle 5
    Science 3
    Sports 7
    Technology 1
    World&Business 2"
  • Chris Baskind · 4 months ago
    ReTweet's launch marketing seemed targeted at tapping some seething pool of user resentment regarding Tweetmeme. It's just not there, and "Me, too!" isn't a winning strategy.