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louisgray.com: louisgray.com: Developers Are People Too, Don't Forget

  • Matt Shaulis · 1 year ago
    That's what I like so much about Louis Gray, he presents the human side of the web every time he writes. Not just because he mentions me by name and calls me all sorts of wonderful things, but because his blog gives me a true sense of camaraderie among fellow developers that I have never met or even spoken with (sans the occasional blog comment/twitter reply). His ability to circumvent the plastic facade of Web 2.0 and drill into the pulsating humanity of social media speaks volumes for his character as a human being. I imagine he would be one of the coolest people to know in real life!

    Louis, just today.. literally just 10 hours ago... Dave and I were on the phone talking about so many things (neat stuff coming... you'll be the first to know ;) ...) and I touched on the very sentiment you are getting across here. Of course you put it so much more eloquently than I did... but let's just say that when someone says something about "Shyftr" they are indeed talking about Dave Stanley and Matt Shaulis personally, and when they something mean it hurts... we're only human (and our intentions have probably been misunderstood more than most recent services). You are such an inspiration and you know how to create positivity in the people around you... that's a real gift. This post made my day and while I can't speak for the other people mentioned I am willing to bet that a handful of hearts were just warmed.

    P.S. Hey bloggers... this is how to get the exclusive. ;) hehehe j/k (sorta).
  • robdiana · 1 year ago
    I did not realize that Shyftr was such a small operation, otherwise I probably would have been much kinder with any criticism. I think people have gotten used to large companies providing every service that they forget things typically started with a handful of people, if even that many. This happened to me on FriendFeed when someone slammed the first version of yacktrack because it only did one thing. Obviously I defended it as it is only me working on it and it was a first version to gauge interest. Thankfully, the person understood and then proposed some good features.

    Louis thanks for remembering that there are people behind these services.
  • Matt Shaulis · 1 year ago
    Hi there Yacktrack! I actually came across your service for the first time the other day after Corvida mentioned something on Twitter about your incorporation of RSS feeds... I was really excited about what you were doing...

    Great stuff! :-)
  • robdiana · 1 year ago
    Thanks for the praise Matt. I was actually really surprised how much people liked even the first version. I figured I might write a nice little tool that at least I would use. Then it got covered by Sarah Perez on ReadWriteWeb. Now I have two jobs.
  • Louis Gray · 1 year ago
    So how come I didn't put two and two together between you and YackTrack? Somehow I missed that. Feel free to e-mail me any time on this stuff.
  • robdiana · 1 year ago
    At first I wasn't entirely public with anything, but RegularGeek.com has been associated with my name a bit. I just never officially included my name on there. YackTrack was always talked about in conjunction with regulargeek though.
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  • drewolanoff · 1 year ago
    DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS!

    Lets not forget Thomas Connors, current lead on ReadBurner who has done an amazing job thus far.

    Thanks for slowing everyone down and reminding everyone that we're all human :)
  • Louis Gray · 1 year ago
    How can I forget Thomas Connors if nobody ever introduced me? :-) Let him know I don't bite.
  • ChrisRossini · 1 year ago
    It's always nice to reflect upon the qualities of the entrepreneur...After all, this is a person who invests his/her time, money, and resources in satisfying the urgent demands of consumers (or users).

    Sure, many will forecast incorrectly, and their creations will end up in the so called "deadpool," but I find it very admirable that the entrepreneurs took the risk anyway.

    Our lives would be quite primitive, and our standard of living a lot lower, without these key individuals.
  • BlueCockatoo · 1 year ago
    Nice cheerleading, Louis. :) Most people who use those services have no idea how much time, effort and (in the case of projects like these which aren't likely a major source of income yet) love goes into creating them.

    I'm a developer myself and the favorite part of my job is showing something I worked on to clients and seeing them get truly excited about what it can do. If I didn't have to work to pay the bills I'd just build things for people because it's awesome to see what you produce make their lives a little easier, a little more fun or even a little more magical. It's not an easy thing to figure out what people really need (not just what they want) and build a system that can give people that experience in a pleasing way.

    Kudos to all these developers for even making the effort and thanks to them for giving me lots of new shiny toys to play with!
  • Julian Baldwin · 1 year ago
  • StevenHodson · 1 year ago
    I sure wish I had heard this kind of this when I was still doing dev ... might still be coding.
  • UltimateFootballNetwork · 1 year ago
    Failure is the overwhelming likelihood for any of these Web Services, it's not an insult to point that out. The startup world is pretty cut-throat, and those few who make it successfully across the chasm will be richly rewarded. As is often said, "There's no such thing as bad publicity", especially in the extremely noisy world of social media.
  • Marcin Grodzicki · 1 year ago
    Wow, this is surely something new in the blogging world. Especially in comparison to posts like 'How not to pitch us a product' (...as you obviously would be stupid enough to do' - we had some of these last month). It's true that Gabe is usually not mentioned in posts about techmeme, but it's also true I know about him form techcrunch - they do mention who is behind, especially if the project is young. For You Louis - big cheers for the attitude. You do have different 'temperature' on your blog.
  • gregory · 1 year ago
    at start up scale, we are our work ... and we are trying to get paid for being who we are, and for what we would do anyway...

    when size happens, the impersonal comes in, and i would offer that is when we start hating companies, and it usually grows the bigger they get ... friendfeed is cool, verizon is, difficult, to use some extremes
  • Mahmoud Al-Qudis · 1 year ago
    A lot of people seem to have forgotten that in the light of all the money pouring into the current startup waves. I began my "startup" as a hobby, and now as a way to help others out - I'm perfectly content to run it part-time and seek money elsewhere if that's the way it has to be. It's not "dead," it's just different.
  • Benjamin Golub · 1 year ago
    "Not every Web service is expected to grow into a real company, and be sold off or enter the public markets through IPO. Many of these are hobbies." Exactly!

    ALL of my products are hobbies. They are fun to work on but still provide a service to the community. I'll admit that 1 reason I launch them is to make a name for myself and, a few years from now, get a job working at a startup with other rockstars. But until then I need to hone my skills and work hard; thus RSSmeme and fftogo.
  • Yuvi Panda · 1 year ago
    Benjamin and I are pretty similar - except that he has more expertise (and maybe time?) on his hands ;)
  • Dave Stanley · 1 year ago
    Louis, thanks for pointing out the human side to all of this. It's easy to lose site of the fact that there are hard working individuals behind all of these products and services, and it's important we take a second to pause and realize this once in a while.
  • Joshua Simmons · 1 year ago
    As a web developer and entrepreneur, I have mixed feelings when deluges of speculation on web services pour out through my Google Reader, but I've had to come to terms with it and toss all of that speculation into the ever-growing file of things I actually didn't read on Google Reader. Almost all of the major blogs are suspects, and TechCrunch is probably the largest offender (which is why I still don't subscribe to it! so much superfluous content!) -- as much as I respect people like Guy Kawasaki and their business and marketing sense, they are obviously on different planets than the true core of the industry: the developers.

    So on that note: Louis Gray, thank you for not forgetting about the people behind the services! There's a reason I subscribe to your feed and that each post gets read thoroughly -- and this post of yours truly illustrates that reason.
  • CyndyA · 1 year ago
    I'm still a Steven Hoson acolyte, and I'd be remiss if I didn't chime in. If you can't take the heat, get out of the business. If I had a dollar for every email or comment that called me an idiot, said I couldn't write, didn't know what I was talking about, etc., I could take their advice and ride off into the sunset, never having to work again.

    You are never going to please everyone. And realistically speaking, a lot of these things WILL deadpool. There is a difference between doing something fun as a side job and trying to turn those side projects into the day job with VC and the Silicon Valley wannabe-Hollywood culture. Louis, you are a much more positive person than I am. You also do this as a hobby, not a job. If people only want to read positive things about their projects, they should keep them limited to friends and families. Every time you pitch a blogger, there is going to be the chance that the blogger sees no use for your app. It's like that whenever you work, even if it's flipping burgers.
  • Robert Seidman · 1 year ago
    Louis, for the record, I was definitely not suggesting *you* have a tendency to pick losers.

    something like fftogo, I would never slam and understand that it is just something done out of passion, love and enthusiasm. SezWho, SocialMedian are not hobbies. While I don't doubt that they are trying to build good products and services, they are also trying to make money. Since I am not actually sure whether Toluu is hobby, I apologize to the folks behind if it is.

    I'm definitely *not* in favor of stamping out innovation under the premise that "most things won't take root", especially when that innovation is coming from someone doing something out of their bedroom merely for the love of it.

    For the companies that aren't hobbies If it's simply that you don't like thinking about business models and exit strategies and how it will all play out in that regard and so you're not interested in ever writing about those things I don't have a problem with it. But those things do come into play and I like having conversations about those issues. However, I'd agree that "snarky notes" are not the best way to facilitate those conversations. Thanks for calling me out on that.

    Robert
  • gregory · 1 year ago
    nice comment ... strategy is definitely an interesting subject ... and not one that can be devoid of heart and still succeed in the connected world ... the "human" is another word for heart, for love and care, and it is doubly great when strategy revolves around how to really give something to customers, rather than cleverly get their money..

    more and more, energy follows intention, my bet is that motivation, why one does something will play a bigger part in success and failure than ever before.
  • Louis Gray · 1 year ago
    There's no question that a high percentage of startups fail. And even those that aren't intended to be "for profit" have some associated cost. Toluu's a good example, as it's Caleb's free time on top of his regular job, and paying for server space isn't free.

    There are plenty of other sites for business models, exit strategies, etc. So far, I've focused less on that here, and it usually doesn't come into play for the earliest adopter crowd. It has been interesting to see some of the stories I used to have a large mindshare for (See: FriendFeed and ReadBurner) grow up beyond me to gain a larger audience. At some point, some of those services will take another leap to the level you're mentioning, where business models are a bigger focus.
  • calebelston · 1 year ago
    Louis is correct, Toluu is a project I work on after work and on the weekends. It is something I really wanted since I love finding cool new blogs and I wanted to know what my friends were reading. I wanted to get it out there as fast as possible and then see how people responded and actually used it and then work to improve it every day. If you set out to build something you find useful there are many people out there who probably will find it useful to. I can't think of many successful or popular web apps that started out with massive user bases or with the perfect business model from the get go. The whole point of web apps is for them to evolve and change quickly, and if you provide something people find useful then that is valuable. Plus it is tons of fun building something that people are using besides just your mom.