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Mona N. — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:15:00 -0000

Well of course it's all speculation, but I haven't seen anyone that adamant on excusing themselves for being wrong since... well... never. Perhaps I should take a class on human psychology. ;)

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Robert Miller — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:10:00 -0000

Apologize means weakness? Maybe too old skool and that might mean that he was plain wrong and would lose face? Just thoughts as I really know nothing. :)

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Mona N. — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:48:00 -0000

Does anyone have thoughts on why Jim Goldman refuses to apologize? I don't get it.

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Michael Fidler — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 03:17:31 -0000

Wow! A lot of so called credible media sources ran with this story so quickly. My only thoughts were that I hoped he gets well soon! Still, Apple lost a ton of Market Cap on a bad Info. Fail is right. I was kind of shocked at a lot of peoples reactions to the news. Some people seemed a little cold or even mean spirited re. the announcement. I didn't think that was very cool Thanks for the update!

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Robert Scoble — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 03:08:00 -0000

Peter: fame in this world is noise. Start buying your own press releases and you will end up on the street. Oh, wait, we might all be on the street soon. :-)

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Morgan — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 03:04:00 -0000

a simple apology solves all of this. Jim says he went with his sources, they were wrong, Gizmodo was right. and he gets his credibility back. again he never trashes another MSM outlet like he did Gizmodo.

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ontarioemperor — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 03:02:51 -0000

I guess the phrase "Trust no one" can apply, since any of us can make a mistake. I've certainly made my share of mistakes over the years (for a period there, I was quoting Jim Bakker's famous statement "I was wrong" on a regular basis in one of my blogs).

But is it enough to take a CYA approach? "I don't know if this is true, and it may not be, so don't sue me, but I heard...."

I guess in the long run, you put more trust in people who (1) have a demonstrated commitment to getting it right, rather than getting it first; (2) cite their sources when possible; and (3) try to present more than one side of an issue.

Regarding the current tempest in a teapot: despite today's revelations about the complexity of Steve Jobs' illness, I still haven't seen anything that proves that he is "rapidly declining." So I personally get a little iffy about anyone who claims that the "rapidly declining" prediction was right on the money. Perhaps I'll be proven wrong - I hope not - but I don't believe all the evidence is in yet.

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Mona N. — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 03:02:00 -0000

Of course not - but in this particular instance, embargoes and or 'insider information', I would think a major news source would be somewhat correct. And NiceRobot: LOL and great analogy!

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Chris Charabaruk for Hire — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:59:00 -0000

@Mona in regards to _anything_at_all_ one source is never reliable enough.

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Mona N. — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:58:00 -0000

But LG - best of his ability is not acceptable, especially since he slammed the blogosphere (especially Gizmodo) and cited on the NY Times and AP (which they later retracted with nothing on record) He was wrong in the past about the Macbook Air, iPhone, (Apple) and Zune (MSFT but still, he keeps talking about his reliable sources). Oops, sorry - I mean seriously. So I guess when it comes to certain topics as Apple or new product releases, no one source is 'reliable'.

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Chris Charabaruk for Hire — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:58:00 -0000

Doesn't change the fact that anything a journalist says should be as carefully vetted as any suggestion from scientific research. Not saying we need to start peer-reviewing the talking heads on our TVs, but better research on their part will mean less screw-ups of this magnitude.

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Peter Ghosh CISSP — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:56:00 -0000

No, I never met Robert, but I mean he is "in the know" i.e. industry insider. Fame can sometimes taint you but Robert looks unscathed....

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·[▪_▪]· — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:53:00 -0000

@mona because we're the United States of Amnesia http://is.gd/fXrk People forget the fails because the wins are trotted out as epic. It's also a gambler addiction syndrome. Lose, lose, lose but that one win, even if it doesn't cover the loses, justifies their reason for gambling.

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Robert Scoble — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:52:00 -0000

Heh, my son was on CNBC 16 times with Jim. I saw him last week at the Palm event. Wish I would have asked him about it then.

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Robert Scoble — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:49:00 -0000

Agreed Louis but he went after Gizmodo pretty hard. I did too but then my source was a yogurt guy.

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Mona N. — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:47:00 -0000

Oh wow, you know him personally? Your opinion is noted. Thanks for sharing. :)

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Peter Ghosh CISSP — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:47:00 -0000

Liked simply because I like how Robert rolls.....It's nice to see integrity amongst people in the know.

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Louis Gray — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:46:00 -0000

One thing I'd separate is that Jim Goldman likely reported to the best of his ability, and yet it was his source that may have proved faulty. When I was a journalist, you would often see three part series that seemed to flip bias from one side to the next, which tended to go with the data you had. I don't think anybody believes Goldman deliberately misled the public.

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Robert Scoble — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:45:00 -0000

I still like and trust Jim. Someday I will ask him what was up? Having a satelitte truck and a crew of four probably makes you wigged out. Everyone in media is freaked out because of the economy. Makes you do stupid things.

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Mona N. — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:41:00 -0000

-sigh- I know, and I don't expect you to know... but it's just sad, since CNBC and Jim Goldman were (and still are to some) trusted sources. :(

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Robert Scoble — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:40:00 -0000

Mona: I have no idea what Jim is thinking. Of course I had no idea what that BART cop was thinking either.

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Mona N. — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:37:00 -0000

Even if it means losing your own credibility? And I dig how you roll, Robert.

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ursi — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:37:00 -0000

Critical thinking is in short supply.

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Robert Scoble — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:35:00 -0000

Mona: keeping a seat at the Apple table is a powerful thing. My friends told me not to talk more about this story. That isn't how I roll. But some do roll that way. Access to the Apple machine can mean millions.

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Mona N. — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:21:00 -0000

And he refuses to do so - wtf is up with that? But I am not here to trash anyone, Goldman AND CNBC has a lost A LOT of credibility with me. I mean seriously, how can you be wrong about SO MANY things and STILL be considered "trustworthy"? Bafling.